I might have gotten in trouble for this...

*Edit* Wisdom has a funny way of catching you sometimes, I like to rock the boat, I don't like Fred Phelps, or the false gospel he stands for, but rather than throw mud from here, I'd rather preach love from the pulpit.

"The only thing I've ever had to apologise for is my tongue"
-Laurie Kenedy FEBCAST



Thanks Laurie
-Kevin

The Two Kinds of Marriage Redux

Geoff Ashley

I had a recent conversation with a pastor from The Village Church in Texas. (Some of you may recognize this as the church Matt Chandler leads.) Anyway The conversation we had sparked some more thinking on my position on marriage, nothing monumental changed, but I thought I'd share the exchange with you here.

Kevin,
Thank you for writing. I think that the article stands or falls on the strength of the distinction between legal and sacramental marriage, a distinction which is not evidenced within the biblical text itself. As that is our ultimate authority for faith and practice, I would be careful lest we restrict that which was intended as common grace to only those who are believers. Most theological reflection on marriage over the past 2000 years has leaned toward it being a gift to humanity in general and not specifically to the elect. Though there are deeper implications for the elect, the gift is still never restricted in the text. Adam and Eve represent all humanity as our ancestors, not simply Christians. I don't know that we have any biblical merit to limit that which was given to them.
 

 I have never wrestled through the implications of Canadian law in thisarea, but I would want to make sure that giving up the right to

perform marriage was done with pure motives and not simply fear of reprisal(legally or otherwise). That would be where I would be wrestling. We

are certainly called to give up rights at times for the good of others,

but I'm not sure that I see giving up ordination as an example of such atime. What decision best exalts the glory of Christ and the good of

your fellow man (believer and otherwise)?

 I feel for you and for all who desire to be faithful in environments more restrictive than my own. Thanks for writing. Let me know if there is anything else we can do to help.

 Grace and peace.
 --geoff

The guy's name is Geoff Ashley, he raised a number of good points that I hadn't really thought through or articulated fully, so I replied...

Geoff,


Thanks so much for getting back to me so quickly. I wanted to send you a message saying how much I really appreciated your input, you made me 
think through a couple of things and hopefully come up with a better way to articulate some of them.

You're definitely correct that there is no biblical distinction between 
legal and sacramental marriage. There is simply the gift of marriage 
offered by God to His creation. Where I see a distinction is in the 
culture. The marriage God gave was set up as a covenant (See Genesis 2 
and most of the book of Hosea) but our culture sets it up as simply a 
contract which can be broken for any reason (literally, I don't know 
about Texas, but up here, all you need for a divorce is to live apart 
for a year). On this is my heart and the crux of my argument.

The marriage that God gave was set up as covenant. The marriage we as 
clergy solemnize is seen by the solemnizing state as a simple contract. 
Christians then, who are seeking marriage are bound by both; marriage as covenant as God gave, and marriage by contract as Romans 13: 1-2 (and 
any number of practical reasons) dictates. The need for the distinction 
between legal and sacramental marriages, in my view, is becoming more 
pronounced with governments moving away from the biblical standard of 
marriage as covenant.

You were right to challenge my motives as well. It is important that we 
don't compromise scripture for the sake of our comfort. I'd be lying, 
though, if I said I didn't recognize that my stance on this conveniently

avoids the gay marriage question. My motivation though comes not from 
this question, alone, but from what the government has historically been doing to marriage (specifically in the realm of divorce) that has made 
marriage into something that is not the same as what God gave. That 
said, I certainly wouldn't force a "remarriage" on a married couple who 
comes to faith, I'd simply explain that the marriage they have is not a 
contract, but rather a covenant.

It's this fundamental difference (contract/covenant) that motivates my 
position regarding solemnizing marriages as clergy. I believe that we 
(at least in Canada) are sending mixed messages when we will perform one ceremony that is the solemnization of a legal contract while at the same time preach and teach about marriage as a covenant.

I found Geoff's insights to be really thoughtful and I'd value more thoughts on the topic.

Only The Good...

Recently, Pastor Mark Driscoll preached on the calling of the twelve apostles in Luke 6. In one of the key sections of that sermon, he encourages Christians to: "Die with your boots on" The gist of this is:

You're either going to go out like Judas or Jesus—that's how your life is going to end. You're going to go out like Jesus, faithful to the end, whatever the cost, or you're going to go out like Judas, prematurely, tragically, rebelliously, shamefully. I want you to keep your boots on, finish strong, run your race, see it through to the end, be a completer, a finisher, a closer of the things God has given you to do.

He goes on to describe how both tradition and history describe the deaths of nine of the apostles. The full text is available here.

I say this now because it is fitting on a couple of levels. A good friend of mine from college, Craig Simmons and his wife Kristin were in South Korea teaching ESL and living out the great commission. On June 9, Craig was walking home and was hit by a bus. The next week was filled with an outpouring of love, prayer and faithful facebook updates, keeping everyone in the loop. Despite apparent improvement in his condition, this past Tuesday (June 16) Craig Simmons died with his boots on. The reason that the Driscoll sermon is so fitting is that Craig introduced me to Driscoll's ministryback in my first year of Bible College. I owe a lot of owe a lot of who I am to the Spirit's work through Craig.

I miss my friend, and I grieve with his wife and with the friends and family who miss him more than I ever could, but I can't help but be reminded of Philippians 1:21. I know this too, not every man is blessed enough to die with their boots on, and one day, I will see my friend again, I can only pray that I get there with a set of boots too.

Well done buddy
See you soon.

 

Book Review 1: Change Your Church for Good by: Brad Powell.

This review is for: Change Your Church for Good by Brad Powell.




Change Your Church for Good by Brad Powell, is a book written for church leaders and pastors interested in church revitalization. It is a very well-written and logically presented book. Powell seems to be a very organized writer and structures the book into five parts: The first describes (quite accuratley) the state of the North American Church. The second part describes the type of leaders needed to facilitate the change that is needed, the third part describes mission and vision casting, the fourth part is the execution and the fifth is a sort of epilogue.

One thing here is certain, This book was not written for me. I'm in my mid twenties, I'm part of what's called the “emerging generations”, this book is clearly written to pastors and leaders from the Baby boomer and Gen-X generations. I say that , mainly because of the tone of the book. Powell comes across as downright arrogant in certain sections. This, however is where I must confess my own bias. I recently read another book that was written along the same lines but to my generation. Dan Kimball's “They Like Jesus But Not The Church” says many of the same things that Powell is saying but he comes across much more humble (almost annoyingly in some sections) than Powell. Please do not misunderstand me I'm not saying that Powell and baby boomers are arrogant, but the language used is highly propositional and can come across that way to post-modern enculturated kids like me.

One last point. At one place in the book, Powell make the comment: “Everything rises and falls on leadership” I cannot stress enough how much I disagree with this statement. Everything rises and falls on Jesus, and the Gospel. My only real issue with the book is that it reads like a business plan. Much of the advice can easily be transplanted to the business world. The church is not a business, everything rises and falls on the head of the church: Jesus Christ.

Final Word: This is a great book if you are 40 or over and a church leader or pastor of a church that needs revitalization. If you're younger than that, it's good, but you'll get more out of Kimball's book.

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